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**Jason** · September 1st, 2009, 11:58 PM

What are your thoughts on Radford? Do you know how many they returned from last year? From what I heard they played a good Pulaski Co. team tough Friday night. Also that the game was a lot closer than the score (19 to 7) was. Looks like a pretty decent schedule they have too. How will they match up with Gretna?

Aug. 28 Pulaski Co.
Sept. 4 OPEN
Sept. 11 @ George Wythe
Sept. 18 @ Galax
Sept. 25 @ Gretna
Oct. 2 Grayson
Oct. 9 Eastern Montgomery
Oct. 16 @ Floyd Co.
Oct. 23 @ Glenvar
Oct. 30 Auburn
Nov. 6 Giles

**pvfan** · September 2nd, 2009, 10:30 AM

Could win Region C. I'd like to see how they fare against GW and Gretna before declaring them the favorites. Pulaski will probably win the River Ridge again, saying that I hate watching them play. I've seen them twice in person and both times I felt they under used their talent. Much like GC, Pulaski really can't blow out a good team by the offense they run.

**sup-rbeast** · September 2nd, 2009, 10:41 AM

A win is a win...blowout or not. I'd rather win 14 games by 1 point every time than win the first 13 by an average of 42 and lose the last one by a point. One thing to consider...PV's first 3 titles were won by a point each...so even if the Offense isn't pretty, who cares...if that's your best chance to win, that's what ya should do. GC is on to somethin here. You don't have to be flashy to be successful.

**Counts** · September 2nd, 2009, 11:06 AM

I think what pvfan is tring to say is that that ball control type offence can keep you in games vs better teams and give yourself a shot to win in the 4th.......On the flip side it can also keep a lesser team in a ball game with you and give them a shot in the 4th where 1 busted play wins the ballgame (think GC 01 and 02 playoff runs)

**sup-rbeast** · September 2nd, 2009, 11:12 AM

That's how it is with any offense..I've always been of the school of thought that more bad things can happen when you attempt to pass the ball vs. running it. When you pass you can have a fumble on a hit on the QB, a sack, an incompletion, an interception, a fumble after the catch by the WR, or in some cases a reception for a loss. If you're running it the only bad things that can happen is a fumble or a run for a loss. It cuts down on mistakes to play ball control..and IMO doesn't do any more to keep your opponent in the game than any other offense does..just ups your chances of success if you do it well.

**pvfan** · September 2nd, 2009, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Counts

I think what pvfan is tring to say is that that ball control type offence can keep you in games vs better teams and give yourself a shot to win in the 4th.......On the flip side it can also keep a lesser team in a ball game with you and give them a shot in the 4th where 1 busted play wins the ballgame (think GC 01 and 02 playoff runs)

Right, my biggest problem with playing like GC and Pulaski do is losing to teams you shouldn't. I fully believe the 02 GC team was better than the 03 team, they just got to conservative.

**pvfan** · September 2nd, 2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

That's how it is with any offense..I've always been of the school of thought that more bad things can happen when you attempt to pass the ball vs. running it. When you pass you can have a fumble on a hit on the QB, a sack, an incompletion, an interception, a fumble after the catch by the WR, or in some cases a reception for a loss. If you're running it the only bad things that can happen is a fumble or a run for a loss. It cuts down on mistakes to play ball control..and IMO doesn't do any more to keep your opponent in the game than any other offense does..just ups your chances of success if you do it well.

It cuts down on mistakes, I agree. I don't care much for that kind of offense, it's in my opinion you better be damn good. And by damn good I mean be able to beat everybody by two plus scores to win the state title. At some point you will fumble the ball and your whole offense is designed on taking 6 minutes or more to score, you can't climb out of a whole. It's the evolution of the sport, the spread and it's variance are how the game is played today. There is a reason that only one team in the past 5 years at the single A division 2 level has won it all running something other than a spread variant and that team won by one point.

**Counts** · September 2nd, 2009, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

That's how it is with any offense..I've always been of the school of thought that more bad things can happen when you attempt to pass the ball vs. running it. When you pass you can have a fumble on a hit on the QB, a sack, an incompletion, an interception, a fumble after the catch by the WR, or in some cases a reception for a loss. If you're running it the only bad things that can happen is a fumble or a run for a loss. It cuts down on mistakes to play ball control..and IMO doesn't do any more to keep your opponent in the game than any other offense does..just ups your chances of success if you do it well.

It shortens the game and the shorter the game the more likly that 1 big play will be the differance.

To me it is like running the stall in basketball if you are over matched it is a great tactic that will make the whole ball game come down to the last few mins of the game......However if you fell you are the better team you would not want to sit on the ball becouse while a lesser team may go on a run it is likley that the better team would prevel through regular play

GC played great and the ball controll O was just what the Doc ordered vs Richlands but would you want to keep a team like Lee (who is not at the GC level) in the ball game and give there RB a shot at breaking one in the 4th for the win?

That is exactly what happened to GC in the 01 or 02 playoffs (can't remember now)

**sup-rbeast** · September 2nd, 2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by pvfan

It cuts down on mistakes, I agree. I don't care much for that kind of offense, it's in my opinion you better be damn good. And by damn good I mean be able to beat everybody by two plus scores to win the state title. At some point you will fumble the ball and your whole offense is designed on taking 6 minutes or more to score, you can't climb out of a whole. It's the evolution of the sport, the spread and it's variance are how the game is played today. There is a reason that only one team in the past 5 years at the single A division 2 level has won it all running something other than a spread variant and that team won by one point.

The reason the D2 trophies have went upstate is numbers...that's indisputable. More numbers usually equals more athletes...and if you are going against that you had better be able to control the ball and play some D if you want to even stand a chance. And you would be surprised at the number of big pass plays you get from a well executed T...and a higher yards per reception ratio as well. Every run play out of the T has variants...and a pass play to go with it. For example, the foundation of the T is the fullback off tackle. Some call it belly right/left or 34/35, etc. I'll call it 35 (to the left) for the sake of simplicity. Off of 35, you have 15 (QB fakes and follows the FB into the hole), 45 (QB fakes to FB and gives to the backside HB who follows the FB into the hole), 35 Pass (QB uses the same action and throws off a quick 3 step drop after the fake), and you still have the triple option off the same play as well. It isn't an offense that is great to overcome a defecit..but playing like that you shouldn't find yourself with much of one. Plus against the T, a DE can't make a right decision..usually leads to frustration and penalty yards at some point. You point out fumbles..what about the spread's vulnerability when it comes to short yardage ?...and the increased INT's ? IMO, If you can execute the T, you shouldn't be stopped unless the play calling just becomes too predictable...but that should never be a problem, cuz the playbook for the T has so many variations off of each basic run play that the defense should never know what exactly is coming.

**pvfan** · September 2nd, 2009, 03:19 PM

Gretna has 695 kids in the last two years they have ran the spread against teams that want to eat the clock by and large. The enrollment of those two schools are Gate City in the low to mid 500's and Floyd at the low to mid 600's. The numbers weren't that skewed. Your going to have a worse argument this year, Essex is a very legit D2 school that will wax who we send up there imo. We are losing because we don't have athletes like we once did and a lot of us just don't want to evolve with the game. Belly right on two 3 straight times is worthless when you don't gain anything. You mention running in short yardage out of the spread, if you've got a half ass athletic quarterback you'll pick up most short yardage disutations. You can spread the field out and have nobody in the middle of the field, Tim Tebow and the Gators have figured this out pretty well.